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Sunday, May 11, 2008

Campaign to Protect Public Medicine in Ireland

In light of current debate over health insurance both in the American press, and on this and other blogs, here is part of an article from anarchists in Ireland. The current issue of Workers' Solidarity anarchist bulletin highlights the battles of which anarchists are a part to oppose American style privatization of the medicare system in that country. Their group byline emphasises the relationship between socialism and anarchism with which the Shag and most social anarchists would agree. For a bit more on the welfare state issue and possible libertarian responses check the comment trail on the previous posting or the single payer article on Carnival of Anarchy. In most of the world where anarchism has had a solid presence over many decades state financed public services are seen as a "civic good" which in the short term must be protected. This is not meant to be a permanent solution but is simply a matter of survival and common sense.

Approximately 5,000 people turned out for the “March for a Decent Public Health Service” held on Saturday, 29th March in Dublin. Various Trade Unions, patients groups from around the country and political organisations were represented. The Workers Solidarity Movement
were also present as part of a sizeable anarchist bloc. We considered the march to be an important opportunity to build momentum behind a campaign that would fight for quality public healthcare for all and to end profit-driven medicine,. We produced and distributed 10,000 leaflets explaining why we thought people should take part.

Of course, 5,000 is a relatively small number for an issue as fundamental and topical as health. It would probably have required three times that number to send a strong message to the government that “enough is enough”. Unfortunately, it was very wet right up to the start of the march which must have had some effect on numbers. Also, the lack of a clear and concrete aim of the march, beyond venting some anger at the two-tier system, meant there wasn’t a compelling reason for people to take to the streets.


Further regional marches have been organised for various towns around the country for Saturday, 26th April. At the time of going to print, it is unclear how successful these can be. Can they act to build momentum, confidence and a sense of the potential of a national health campaign among workers and patients?

As anarchists, we have argued and continue to argue for a campaign built from the bottom-up. Workers and patients know what the problems with the health system in Ireland are. We know that co-location is the first step towards an American-style system of for-profit medicine. We know that everyone deserves a medical card. We don’t need to be told what to do. We don’t want to be sold-out or bought-off by opportunist union leaders or wannabe politicians. Partnership deals or electing “the right person” will do nothing to stop the drive towards privatised healthcare.

A campaign will only be successful if it based on open and democratic local groups in towns and suburbs across the country, that come together on an equal basis to make decisions and organise for action. This is the kind of empowering campaign that we should be encouraging people to build, not one of marches followed by yet more marches.

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14 Comments:

Blogger Francois Tremblay said...

You want our enemy the State to keep control over what kind of treatments a person can or cannot get, rather than give that power back to the people. Fine Anarchists you are... Instead of preaching for a REAL public system where the people have control over their own medical system, you pollute people's minds with the propaganda of class traitors.

May 12, 2008 12:42 PM  
Blogger Werner said...

"Class traitors". Gee, I haven't heard that one for a long, long time. Sounds like maoist bullshit, guess I'll have to be "re-educated". And it's off to the labour camp we go ... hup, two,three,four ... hup, two,three,four.

May 12, 2008 5:41 PM  
Blogger Francois Tremblay said...

Funny how you advocate government coercion and extortion, and yet you accuse ME of being coercive.

Hypocrite much?

Stop calling yourself an Anarchist, you hypocrite.

May 13, 2008 12:35 AM  
Blogger Werner said...

Sticks and stones can break my bones fucknuts. In case you haven't noticed most of the people who call themselves anarchists outside of the United States happen to agree with me not you. That includes most anarchists in Canada, the anarchists federations in Spain, the WSM in Ireland to name just a few. Your latest post DOES, in fact, make threats which, like most cowards, you are in NO position to back up. My comparison with Maoism stands.

May 13, 2008 6:04 AM  
Blogger Robert Kaercher said...

Leaving the ad hominems aside, Werner, could you elaborate as to how a anarchist could favor state-controlled health care?

May 13, 2008 2:45 PM  
Blogger Werner said...

At least, Robert, you are trying to be polite which is a major step forward. If you read other recent postings on this site, some of the hyperlinks, and some of the comments by Larry Gambone these should provide a start in terms of answers. I view single payer medicine as simply a fact of life where alternatives are not readily available. Some people might call this a "workaround" or the "defence of necessity". I don't "prefer" this situation any more than I "prefer" working for an employer. And as Larry points out this is a view generally shared by the vast majority of Anarchs in the western world. The cults of primitivism and "no compromise" (the latter sometimes coming from people who also advocate voting for "libertarian" candidates) is a largely American fad.

May 13, 2008 6:37 PM  
Blogger Charles Anthony said...

I have never read so much nonsense in my life.

Francois is right. You are advocating coercion and statism. You are not anarchists. You are just confused coercionists. Shame. To say "In case you haven't noticed most of the people who call themselves anarchists outside of the United States happen to agree with me not you." is an intellectual cop-out.


"I don't "prefer" this situation any more than I "prefer" working for an employer."
Irrelevant.
You have no moral right to place a positive responsibility on anybody else -- if you claim to be an anarchist, that is.

You are no anarchist.

May 14, 2008 1:27 PM  
Blogger Werner said...

If you're a buddy of Mr. T then you're the one who should be ashamed.

May 14, 2008 5:53 PM  
Blogger Larry Gambone said...

I just did a little background research on Mr. T. Turns out he is a Randroid cultist and an anarcho-capitalist. This explains his authoritarian ranting - taking after his beloved guru - his extreme anger at the idea that either/or thinking is generally a mistake and one of the roots of authoritarianism. (Understandable with the Randroid A is A clap trap.) And his hatred of social anarchists, since for the Randriod cult anything smacking of socialism (and human decency for that matter), is evil. No doubt his buddy Mr Anthony is probably a member of the same cult.

May 14, 2008 6:56 PM  
Blogger Robert Kaercher said...

Werner: I've seen some of the "workaround/defense of necessity" argument from some socialist anarchists in defense of some government services.

It seems that they overlook the fact that other individuals are coerced and forced into an arrangement not of their own choosing, not to mention that essentially such anarchists are calling for the bloating and further empowerment of the very state they claim to oppose.

This means more rigid authoritarian hierarchy being imposed on the very people they claim to want to help--the poor, who are robbed of their choice, their autonomy, and a greater portion of what they earn for themselves in exchange for a very authoritarian, hierarchical, costly, bureaucracy-laden medical system that sucks.

I've heard from relatives in Belfast about the statist health care they have there, and if you really think that state-run health care is the best alternative under the present circumstances, then all I can say is that you need to set your sights a little higher.

There is another alternative: a free market. Not a state-run market with special privileges for the corporate oligarchs, but a truly free and unregimented market. If you're really opposed to statism, then it seems to me that a spontaneous, all-voluntary, free market system is the kind of system you should be agitating for.

No doubt that as long as there is an encroaching authoritarian state, the best that the poor can do for medical care in many circumstances is to seek refuge in state-run medicine, but when the state crowds out the private providers of health care that would otherwise be competing to provide those services, what other choice do the poor have?

It's a rather peculiar kind of "anarchism" that is all for forcibly limiting and narrowing the options for the poorest among us and subjecting them to the arbitrary whims of power-tripping state bureaucrats.

May 15, 2008 8:20 AM  
Blogger Larry Gambone said...

"it's a rather peculiar kind of "anarchism" that is all for forcibly limiting and narrowing the options for the poorest among us and subjecting them to the arbitrary whims of power-tripping state bureaucrats."

This is not true. In Canada it has increased our options. Before it was a matter of being in debt for many years or no treatment. Today no one has to worry about medical care. My freedom has been increased by it, as in the same way my freedom was increased by the 8 hour day, and other labor legislation. This is, as once again, not to say we support statism, it is just that we are realists.

May 15, 2008 9:19 AM  
Blogger Robert Kaercher said...

"In Canada it has increased our options. Before it was a matter of being in debt for many years or no treatment."

Before what and when?

"My freedom has been increased by it..."

Compared to what and when?

Even if you could show me that your freedom has been "increased," at what cost and to whom? Or did that question even enter into your calculation?

"This is, as once again, not to say we support statism, it is just that we are realists."

If you're out in the street agitating for a government program, you are indeed actively supporting statism. I can't possibly see how you're not supporting statism.

You're "realists"? Very well, but if you don't think it's realistic to achieve a society without government providing some service or other then call yourselves "realists" full time--or state-socialists, which would be far more accurate--and stop calling yourselves "anarchists".

May 15, 2008 12:22 PM  
Blogger Werner said...

Thanks Larry, but nothing gets through to these guys. They're like kids daring their "friends" into a fight. Adults just don't operate that way. As you said the majority of anarchists are generally in favour of a "treaty" when nothing else is available within the forseeable future. These anarcho-caps are a bit like the crazy Maoists who want to sacrifice current generations to some future goal. This is the reason that most social anarchists in Canada who were social democrats in the past get a feeling of "been there done that" whenever they run into cultists. Of course strictly speaking I'm not "campaigning" for state medicine just stating the obvious in the here and now. The argument about the inferiority of single payer medicine ... basically mountains out of molehills as you mentioned before ... is contradicted by the statistics which everyone should understand by now. Moreover there is nothing to stop us working to remutualise this system something which real anarchists like yourself have advocated for years.

May 15, 2008 6:09 PM  
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